Brent Halligan Vs Benjamin Briggs (The Mystery of the Druids Vs Limbo of the Lost)
Detective Brent Halligan from the New Scotland Yard.
Captain Benjamin Spooner Briggs, Destiny's Chosen One.
Ordinary people who find themselves involved in ancient plans with the fate of humanity on the line. Which of these two will come out on top?
Which of these two would win a Death Battle?
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Background
Brent Halligan
A series of grizzly murders that left behind nothing but bones remained unsolved for motnhs until Detective from Scotland Yard, Lowry, finally found what he believed to be the suspect, putting them away for good. It was soon clear that the suspect was innocent, since dead men usually don’t continue murdering. So now case in is Detective Brent Halligan's hands and this time he aims to solve the case properly this time around.
But this case isn't some simple serial killer. After meeting with anthropologist Melanie Turner and the historian Arthur Blake, the culprit behind these murders stirs away from the norm and into the occult.
An ancient group of Druids, called “The Circle”, have been biding their time, hiding in the shadows of society and its upper echelons for centuries for an ancient and insidious “Final Ritual”. This ritual combined the power of the Druids all within five infant children. The “Inheritors”, the Heirs of the Druids, are powerful enough to complete the ritual themselves once they find the Amulat of Transformation, casting pure evil across the world and giving humanity only two choices: Submit or Die.
In order to stop this plot that has been in the making for a millenia, Halligan will need to solve the Mystery of the Druids to ensure this ritual fails at all costs.
Benjamin Briggs
From Briggs perspective? A sudden storm assaulted his ship and swept him over board. Yet he wasn't fated to die. He washed up on a beach that lead to a temple where he found a strange book and it's seal, only to be attacked by spectral figures before being sent him a tunnel of flames.
Briggs woke up in the Keep of Lost Souls, the half way point between this world and the next, and discovers he is Destiny's weapon against Fate, the Chosen One.
What does that mean? The only ones who can find out are Briggs and his Earthly Guide, and to do that they will need to find their way through this Limbo of the Lost.
Equipment
Both these guys have items that you could really only find a use for in these types of point and click adventures, so only the more relevant items will be listed for the most part, as well as items they used up already so they have something akin to an actual arsenal, the other items are not worth mentioning mostly.
Brent Halligan
Evidence Bone
“Apple Schnaps”
Ethanol mixed with apple juice. He used this to knock out a homeless man so he could rob him.
Fishing Rod
An enhanced fibreglass telescope ultralight 47, the latest model. Stolen from some fisherman so Halligan could get some sea salt.
Sea Salt
Lowry's Scissors
Matchbox
Garden Shears
Mistletoe
A Torch made with Human Fat. Briggs used this to burn some rope down.
A human skull filled with snot, a maggot, rotten flesh, sewer water, and whatever Granny put in her stew. Not the most luxurious of ingredients but it can knock out the large Grunger in seconds.
A Jar of chloroform given to him by the Keeper of Lost Souls as a welcome gift of which there are three. He can only have one at a time.
A solid metal spear made of iron. Quite heavy. Used to bar a door.
Arach's Nail
Rusty Dagger
Jaw Clamp
Brent Halligan
The Magic of the Druids
Salt Spell
Healing Spell
Benjamin BriggsEarthly Guide
*Poke Poke*
An Earthly Guide, a being from the "other side" that helps guide Briggs along his journey.
The Earthly Guide helps Briggs out by telling him to take, look around, sense, or use whatever is in the area.
Its fairly craft as it instructed him to use replica of a ship's wheel and a iron bar to make a contraption to lift a gate, obtained the ingredients needed to escape Grunger's Dungeon, made the plan to capture the Woodgater, and found it and Briggs way through the sewers, told him to use a pen to blind a sewer monster, used the golden teeth of a skull to as nails to fix a train track and saved Briggs from The Four Horsemen, seemingly using a spell to do so. It's also not bound to him, as it seperated from him in order to save him from the horsemen.
Intelligence / Experience / Skill
An Earthly Guide, a being from the "other side" that helps guide Briggs along his journey.
The Earthly Guide helps Briggs out by telling him to take, look around, sense, or use whatever is in the area.
Its fairly craft as it instructed him to use replica of a ship's wheel and a iron bar to make a contraption to lift a gate, obtained the ingredients needed to escape Grunger's Dungeon, made the plan to capture the Woodgater, and found it and Briggs way through the sewers, told him to use a pen to blind a sewer monster, used the golden teeth of a skull to as nails to fix a train track and saved Briggs from The Four Horsemen, seemingly using a spell to do so. It's also not bound to him, as it seperated from him in order to save him from the horsemen.
Brent Halligan
Chief Miller thinks very little of Halligan with a presumably long list of reasons for thinking so.
Halligan un-ironically thought people drank medical alcohol despite just being told its not for drinking and can even be poisonous and even drank some, forgot that Chief Miller just told him the man Lowry put in jail was innocent after just a few minutes, and was unaware of the skeleton murders despite them happening for months and him being a part of Scotland Yard or once again forgot that he was just told the man Lowry put in jail was innocent, put out an arrest for prince Charle, causing nothing but trouble for him and his department.
Immediately after being told to solve a murder case, he fucks around with a copy machine. Despite knowing he should preserve the bone in a bag due to it being important evidence and that he shouldn’t just hold it in his coat, he does just that anyway. Doesn’t know what initiation is. Gambles and is a penniless bum, would probably play gacha games. He also couldn't come up with any better defense other than calling the begger a liar after robbing him and would later walk back up to him and essentially admit to the crime and after being told he would be taken off the case for any illegal methods he impersonates a different police officer, and thought he somehow had any sort of bargaining power against Sinclair. (even Sinclair din't think he would be that stupid).
However, Halligan isn't a complete moron. He has shown that he capable of being a competent detective by constantly asking around and consulting with various experts and individuals, He framed DeNeuvre's cat so he could steal a fishing rod, was smart enough not to trust himself with the amulet(It was immediately stolen), figured out a plan to get into the database, tricked Lowry with a recording to steal his scissors, made sure Melanie could find him when going to confront Sinclair and escaped his locked room, set off a car alarm and convinced the owner he didn't do anything despite just standing there and figured out the puzzles in the Druids Temple in order to find Serstan's rune carved staff.
He also used Serstan's promise to stop the Inheritors by stabbing Melanie herself and claiming the vow was broken.
Benjamin Briggs
Benjamin Briggs was an experienced captain for many years before he found himself in Limbo.
While he isn't a fool, he does rely on his guide for the most part to get him through the dangers he comes across, granted he has his own thoughts about what happens so or needs to do and will reject certain actions asked of him by the guide when he wants, since he will still resort to doing some disgusting things such as digging a glass eye or bones out of a corpse or questionable acts such as clamping a metal jaw clamp over the Worry Meister just so he could steal his pen.
Despite his situation, Briggs is calm and composed despite all the strange things he encounters and adapts to his surroundings with general ease.
He's shot a glass eye with an eyepatch, hitting a two-headed raven twice with it somehow, carved a flute from a piece of wood, found out who was behind the Soul Taker and even captured it, somehow knew how to fix a fuse box that was missing its wire despite coming from 1872, and managed to get through the Citadel's puzzles before being captured by the Four Horsemen.
Feats
Brent Halligan
Overall
- Solved the Skeleton Murders case, technically.
- Stopped the Druids Final Ritual.
- Owes 275 pounds to All's Pizza Palace.
- Pulled Melanie somehow.
Strength
Durability
Speed
- Can run.
- There is literally nothing else.
Scaling
- Centuries ago, a salt seller named Gergan used this spell to destroy the Castle of Carmors.
- The Druids who sacrificed themselves for the Final Ritual burnt themselves to a pile of ash. (221,527,923 Joules Per Druid)
- Maglor survived a blast from Serstan. He did die later on it was likely due to the fall.
- The Five Inheritors possess the power of all the druids who took part in the Final Ritual and have the strength to perform it themselves.
- The Inheritor Sinclair could cause a earthquake with his magic.
- Sinclair's magical blast destroyed Arthur's house.
- Sinclair's magic could blot out the sky with dark clouds.
- The Inheritors performing the ritual where shown controlling a storm.
Benjamin Briggs
Overall
- Escaped Grunger's Dungeon.
- Figured out the mystery behind the Soul Taker.
- Helped fix the Machine.
- Resealed the Book of Sufferance.
- Escaped Grunger's Dungeon.
- Figured out the mystery behind the Soul Taker.
- Helped fix the Machine.
- Resealed the Book of Sufferance.
Strength
Durability
Speed
- Possibly reacted to lightning, putting his arms up before it struck him. (Debatable)
- Literally nothing.
Scaling
Weaknesses
Brent Halligan
Halligan isn’t quite a fighter. He can be waved off by a homeless bum, tried to scare Janet and was shut up, attacked Melanie by pathetically slapping her and got the advantage because she pretty much let him as was caught off guard and was sent to the ground when she hit him with a skull, and was knocked out in one punch by an actually trained fighter.
Benjamin Briggs
Briggs isn't really a fighter either and he does rely on his Earthly Guide to help him through his challenges for the most part. It is also shown multiple times his Earthly Guide isn't incredibly useful in combat situations, it failed to do anything when Briggs was manhandled by that troll and failed to do anything when he was initially kidnapped by the four horsemen or when he was arrested under charges of being a Soul Taker.
Before the Verdict
Magic Salt
According to Captain Deneuvre, the spell is due to salts nature and not necessarily because of some special enchantment and was used Gergan, someone who has vague druid relations.
Since Halligan straight up uses this spell and even gains more power later through the consumption of human flesh, its likely Halligan can just use this spell on anything.
It might be possible the reason Halligan could perform the spell is because the location is the in the middle of the castle that was destroyed by the salt spell, since the vow Serstan made with Halligan worked on Sinclair despite the vow being made centuries ago.
Lightning Bolts!
Its shown in the special intro that Briggs sees Fate in the clouds of the storm that surrounded his ship and moves his arms upwards in defense before the bolts actually hit him.
Due to the way it is edited, it does look like he reacted to it before it hit him, but it should be noted this is literally the only thing that you could classify as a speed feat in the entire game and would obviously be a one off outlier.
What about actually being struck by lightning? Well that's not exactly impressive since regular people get struck all the time, though it is noteworthy that Briggs was struck and still standing and seems to lack any injury and was knocked off his ship because of the waves.
The Scene Stolen From Spawn
In the opening cinematic to the game, Briggs is shown falling down a tunnel of flames while he himself is on fire, which was stolen directly from the 1997 Spawn movie.
Sounds like a good feat but some pages for the 2005 Demo detailing some lore reveal that it was a tunnel created by Destiny in order to save Briggs since Fate was trying to collapse the temple on him.
It wouldn't make sense for Destiny to try to kill his own Champion with the spell so it's likely the spell didn't harm him at all.
Verdict
Starting off with stats, Brent has the general strength of an average fellow, for the most part. He doesn't really do much while Briggs actually has a few instances of strength, such as ripping Nilmates leg off and pushing a large stone coffins lid off.
Brent's durability is also average at best, with Briggs being mostly unaffected after being thrown around by a troll, being struck by lightning or set on fire with no noticeable injuries
It's possible the lightning strike or the fire tunnel are not real or something, but even without that Brent just doesn't get hit much by anything except for the explosion from Arthur's house being destroyed, but he wasn't really hit directly so its unlikely he survived any relevant amount of force.
You could also try to argue he scales to the Druid's burning themselves to ashes but it was a specific ritualistic sacrifice that obviously kills them and not something they would scale to one to one with the average spell, it would be like saying Briggs scales to the full energy of the lightning bolt or even saying he scaled to Fate, the being who caused that storm and lightning bolt directly.
Speed is even, ignoring the lightning outlier of course, with neither really showing any feats above a regular person.
So speed should be even, but physical strength and durability should go to Benjamin Briggs.
When it comes to their equipment, neither of these guys have too much relevant tools besides the few sharp implements. Obviously, a proper dagger is better than the broken blade from garden shears, and a giant hammer or metal spear is also going to be a much better weapon. Briggs takes the point here.
However, Halligan has a major advantage thanks to his Druid Magic. Briggs has no way of healing himself and lacks any magical offense of himself besides the magical shockwave from the Earthly Guide. Halligan's Salt Spell could kill Briggs easily and his Mistletoe Spell could heal him from a life threatening wound if given the time.
In comparison, The Earthly Guide has its uses but is more of an investigative force rather than a direct actor. It can seemingly release a magical burst of energy but with a unknown level of potency, only really being enough to visibly knock the Horsemen back, said Horsemen are featless besides killing a couple of nobodies in the 2005 demo lore. This means that when it comes to their powers, Detective Halligan takes the edge.
With the Salt Spell's power and their lack of feats beyond that of a regular person speed wise, whats stopping Halligan from just using salt on Briggs and ending the fight right there?
Halligan is stopping that from happening. The main reason Halligan even thought to use the salt spell was because he went to the castle that was destroyed via salt. In a fight, he likely wouldn't think to do it at all.
Without that its a Guy with the small blade from a broken pair of garden shears vs a guy with multiple actual weapons who is also stronger then the first guy. It shouldn't be hard to see that in the initial fight, Briggs wins.
The Earthly Guide, while shown to be useless initially in fights, would be useful in observing Halligan if he survives and tries to heal with the mistletoe spell, which would give Briggs the opportunity to prevent it.
There isn't really much else that can be said. Halligan can win with the salt spell, but its unlikely he would use it and since this is a simple fight to the death Briggs would just use his actual weapons to kill him.
Speed is even, ignoring the lightning outlier of course, with neither really showing any feats above a regular person.
So speed should be even, but physical strength and durability should go to Benjamin Briggs.
When it comes to their equipment, neither of these guys have too much relevant tools besides the few sharp implements. Obviously, a proper dagger is better than the broken blade from garden shears, and a giant hammer or metal spear is also going to be a much better weapon. Briggs takes the point here.
However, Halligan has a major advantage thanks to his Druid Magic. Briggs has no way of healing himself and lacks any magical offense of himself besides the magical shockwave from the Earthly Guide. Halligan's Salt Spell could kill Briggs easily and his Mistletoe Spell could heal him from a life threatening wound if given the time.
In comparison, The Earthly Guide has its uses but is more of an investigative force rather than a direct actor. It can seemingly release a magical burst of energy but with a unknown level of potency, only really being enough to visibly knock the Horsemen back, said Horsemen are featless besides killing a couple of nobodies in the 2005 demo lore. This means that when it comes to their powers, Detective Halligan takes the edge.
With the Salt Spell's power and their lack of feats beyond that of a regular person speed wise, whats stopping Halligan from just using salt on Briggs and ending the fight right there?
Without that its a Guy with the small blade from a broken pair of garden shears vs a guy with multiple actual weapons who is also stronger then the first guy. It shouldn't be hard to see that in the initial fight, Briggs wins.
There isn't really much else that can be said. Halligan can win with the salt spell, but its unlikely he would use it and since this is a simple fight to the death Briggs would just use his actual weapons to kill him.
Conclusion
- Potentially smarter than Briggs himself due to being generally more independant.
- Salt Spell can potentially kill Briggs...
- Can heal with mistletoe one time.
- The Mystery of the Droods.
- About even in intelligence when considering the Earthly Guide.
- Both lack combat experience/skill.
- Neither are much faster than a regular person.
- ...He is unlikely to use it.
- Physically weaker.
- Less durable.
- Earthly Guide acts as a second pair of eyes against him.
- Lacks proper weapons.
- Using his healing magic mid fight would be difficult.
- Theme song is unofficial.
- Stronger and more durable than Halligan.
- Actually has weapons.
- Earthly Guide acts as a second pair of eyes and could bale him out of a dangerous situation...
- The King of Limbo!
- Owns a bakery.
- About even in intelligence when considering the Earthly Guide.
- Both lack combat experience/skill.
- Neither are much faster than a regular person.
- ...But it usually fails to react initially.
- Briggs himself is likely not as smart as Halligan is.
- The Salt Spell would likely kill Briggs.
- Has no healing options.
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